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Post by Candice Woodcock on Nov 30, 2007 3:19:23 GMT -5
Well Tom I understand that the game of Survivor can only have one winner, and that's probably why you're better at it than I am. But there is a difference between looking out for yourself and actively voting out an 'unsavory' ally. So I want to ask two things. First, I want to ask any of the three of you who might want to answer: Can any of you tell me WHY people thought I was one of the 'mean girls'? What did I do to earn that label? And to Tom W. specifically. I got this from Danni's board. No- alliances are made to be broken. In the business world today companies break alliances all the time to get farther into the game. So to say that backstabbing is out of the survivor game is not fair to say. Also if you notice when you look at the rules of Survivor it never says that people in an alliance together must work together until the end. I broke alliances knowing that by breaking them I would get farther in the game. I always took every move looking at least 2 weeks farther in the game. You're full of crap. That simply. I had a Final 2 alliance with you from September 19th, 2 days after tribes were set. And to say that you just trusted random rumors as a reason to break our alliance is the biggest reason not to vote for you to win. You don't know how to communicate with people, or even honor your most basic promises. I never did anything to show that I was disloyal. I always talked to you and Big T before I made any move. I told you the reasons I wanted Danni around, but I told you you were my primary concern. So my question is: What did I do to make you stop trusting me? And don't tell me "OOh cauz o deh Mean Gurlzz allianz!!!!!111one!" Because that's BS. It was never real.
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Post by Big Tom on Nov 30, 2007 11:41:05 GMT -5
In answer to your "can anyone tell me..."
I didn't think you were part of that alliance, hence I didn't vote for you. Sorry if that was rhetorical.
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Post by Tom Westman on Nov 30, 2007 16:31:54 GMT -5
Well Tom I understand that the game of Survivor can only have one winner, and that's probably why you're better at it than I am. But there is a difference between looking out for yourself and actively voting out an 'unsavory' ally. So I want to ask two things. First, I want to ask any of the three of you who might want to answer: Can any of you tell me WHY people thought I was one of the 'mean girls'? What did I do to earn that label? And to Tom W. specifically. I got this from Danni's board. No- alliances are made to be broken. In the business world today companies break alliances all the time to get farther into the game. So to say that backstabbing is out of the survivor game is not fair to say. Also if you notice when you look at the rules of Survivor it never says that people in an alliance together must work together until the end. I broke alliances knowing that by breaking them I would get farther in the game. I always took every move looking at least 2 weeks farther in the game. You're full of crap. That simply. I had a Final 2 alliance with you from September 19th, 2 days after tribes were set. And to say that you just trusted random rumors as a reason to break our alliance is the biggest reason not to vote for you to win. You don't know how to communicate with people, or even honor your most basic promises. I never did anything to show that I was disloyal. I always talked to you and Big T before I made any move. I told you the reasons I wanted Danni around, but I told you you were my primary concern. So my question is: What did I do to make you stop trusting me? And don't tell me "OOh cauz o deh Mean Gurlzz allianz!!!!!111one!" Because that's BS. It was never real. Thank you for asking this and bringing this up this way Candice. First of all I want to point out something. That quote about me saying alliances are made to be broken was directly aimed to Jenn. Jenn was trying to say that Backstabbing was not part of the game. I wanted to make it very clear that backstabbing is very much part of the game. If you see in both the Whole explanation of my game I was constantly looking for to work with you. To BACKSTAB the original Durga alliance so YOU and I could keep the game moving forward. I said over and over again and since week 1 when we did make our final 2 alliance that you were the person that I wanted to jump ship with. So that quote is not about you directly. It was actually showing how I wanted to break to the Durga alliance with you and work the rest of the game with you. Like I said in my first answer. You earned the title of the mean girls alliance from Jamie. She said that you 4 had voted together to vote out Jenn and she was left on the outside. She was the one who labeled you as a mean girl. This was interesting because she was part of Durga as you were. I kept pushing for all of the original Durga to come back together. You can ask Dave or anyone I sent the message to saying, Lets keep Durga strong the first week of the merge. I really did want it to be you and me. But that is how you earned the title of being in the Mean Girls alliance. It didn't help that we didn't have communication for two weeks and that when we merged that you were out of town for a bit. By me telling you that the tide had turned and they were coming after you - which is true- that should have been enough info to play the HII. But I know that you just simply get the message in time which sucks. And your last question. What made me strop trusting you? NOTHING! I never lost my trust in you. Not once have I ever said in any question, "I don't trust Candice anymore" in fact I have said how much I wanted to work with you and I knew that we would do great together when we jumped ship. If anything that says I trust. you. Also in my last question I stated that I knew you weren't part of the Mean Girls alliance because it logically didn't make sense to me. My vote was not because I didn't trust you and not because I didn't like you, but simply because if I had voted with you that week it would have cost me the game. I hope you understand and that that answer is good for you
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Post by Candice Woodcock on Nov 30, 2007 17:34:10 GMT -5
Acceptable answer Tom. But there is a time for doing what you need to to move forward, and there is a time to put your foot down and try to get others to listen to you. I did that WAY back in the day playing with you, and it got me voted out. But to this day I'm glad I did it. You shouldn't be willing to just float along.
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Post by Tom Westman on Nov 30, 2007 19:05:40 GMT -5
Acceptable answer Tom. But there is a time for doing what you need to to move forward, and there is a time to put your foot down and try to get others to listen to you. I did that WAY back in the day playing with you, and it got me voted out. But to this day I'm glad I did it. You shouldn't be willing to just float along. I'm sorry but to call me a floater is unacceptable. There are times when people should take a stand and change things. This happens in the world a lot and things change from it. I did this in the game multiple times. Probably the biggest indication was showing my alliance with Tom by using the HII. I did know how to take stands and I did not just follow people There are also times when people take stands that are just stupid. If I had stood up for you it would have cost me my game. If I had known about the HII I could have stood up for you easily. So do not say I just floated a long. I'm a realist. I see things for how they are and I don't take action on things that are going to end up a disaster if I do. It is as simple as that. I could have either moved on in the game or I could have committed game suicide. Last time I checked no one wants to commit suicide.
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Post by Tom Westman on Dec 1, 2007 4:57:33 GMT -5
I don't see any response and I want to keep this moving so I'm going to post my closing comments
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